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Part 2: The Not Proven Verdict

Question 1. Which of the following best reflects your view on how many verdicts should be available in criminal trials in Scotland?

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Scotland should keep all three verdicts currently available
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should change to a two verdict system
Please give reasons for your answer:
Recently the right to avoid double jeopardy has been breached. The excuse has been that fresh evidence may come to light, there are advances in eg DNA evidence etc. This has the effect of preventing many innocent people getting on with their lives. Where someone is found NOT GUILTY that should be the end of it. However I can see that sometimes the prosecution bungles its case preventing a guilty verdict to criminal standards. In this case it is appropriate that the jury decides that the case is NOT PROVEN - and in this case I could see that (let us say at the judge's discretion) the prosecution should be allowed to bring a fresh case (under highly specific circumstances) within a fixed period of time (say 3 or 5 years - which might depend on the nature of the crime of which the person stands accused). If the time limit is exceeded then the person whose case has been found NOT PROVEN should be deemed NOT GUILTY. This way the matter of double jeopardy would be codified.

At the moment double jeopardy seems unjust and arbitrary. This way we could have a transparent system.

In effect what this would mean is that where the jury thought the accused was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt then the verdict would be GUILTY/PROVEN. Where the jury found that the person was guilty on the balance of probabilities (the civil standard), but not to the criminal standard then the verdict would be NOT PROVEN. But when the jury finds someone NOT GUILTY then that really should be the end of it,

Question 2. If Scotland changes to a two verdict system, which of the following should the two verdicts be?

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked Guilty and not guilty
Radio button: Ticked Proven and not proven
Radio button: Unticked Other
Please give reasons for your answer. If you have selected “other” please state what you think the two verdicts should be called:
The fact is that in very many cases we do not KNOW for sure. There are miscarriages of justice where an innocent person is found Guilty. Actually what has happened is that the case has been found to be proven and the guilt of the accused is therefore assumed. So PROVEN more accurately states what has gone on.

This also has the advantage of retaining the Scottish tradition.

Question 3. If Scotland keeps its three verdict system, how could the not proven verdict be defined, in order to help all people including jurors, complainers, accused and the public to better understand it?

Please provide answer below:
I think I have explained this above.
In the case of NOT GUILTY we should understand that the jury is sure that the accused did not do it
In the case of GUILTY the jury is sure to criminal standards that the accused did what is alleged.
In the case of NOT PROVEN the implication is that the accused may well have done it and that if various criteria are met a fresh prosecution could be made, This is different from a mistrial where necessarily everything starts again.

Question 4. Below are some situations where it has been suggested a jury might return a not proven verdict. How appropriate or inappropriate do you feel it is to return a not proven verdict for each of these reasons?

The jury returns a not proven verdict because they believe the person is guilty, but the evidence did not prove this beyond a reasonable doubt.
Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked 1 – Appropriate
Radio button: Unticked 2 – Inappropriate
Radio button: Unticked 3 – Don't know
The jury returns a not proven verdict because they believe the case has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt, but they wish to publicly note some doubt or misgiving about the accused person.
Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked 1 – Appropriate
Radio button: Unticked 2 – Inappropriate
Radio button: Unticked 3 – Don't know
The jury returns a not proven verdict because they believe the case has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt, but they wish to indicate to complainers and/or witnesses that they believe their testimony.
Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked 1 – Appropriate
Radio button: Ticked 2 – Inappropriate
Radio button: Unticked 3 – Don't know
The jury returns a not proven verdict as a compromise, in order to reach agreement between jurors who think the right verdict should be guilty and others who think it should be not guilty.
Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked 1 – Appropriate
Radio button: Ticked 2 – Inappropriate
Radio button: Unticked 3 – Don't know

Question 5. Do you believe that the not proven verdict acts as a safeguard that reduces the risk of wrongful conviction?

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Yes
Radio button: Unticked No
Radio button: Unticked Unsure
Please give reasons for your answer and explain how you think it does or does not operate to prevent wrongful convictions:
There are people who have complained about a NOT PROVEN verdict in the past because they wanted a guilty verdict. These people are deluded because if there were no NOT PROVEN verdict the only thing a jury could do would be to declare the accused NOT GUILTY - which would be even worse. Under my proposals in the case of a NOT PROVEN verdict there is more chance of a replay and a guilty verdict,

Question 6. Do you believe that there is more stigma for those who are acquitted with a not proven verdict compared to those acquitted with a not guilty verdict?

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Yes
Radio button: Unticked No
Radio button: Unticked Unsure
Please give reasons for your answer:
Because there is a clear implication that "Hmmm we think you done it but we cannae be sure".

Question 7. Do you believe that the not proven verdict can cause particular trauma to victims of crime and their families?

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Yes
Radio button: Unticked No
Please give reasons for your answer:
Clearly many an aggrieved person who does not get the verdict they want will be further traumatised - but this would not happen if my proposals were implemented.

However those who are most traumatised are those who want revenge - and mostly what they need is counselling, because brooding on perceived offence is self-injurious.

Part 3: Jury Size

If Scotland changes to a two verdict system:

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Jury size should stay at 15 jurors
Radio button: Unticked Juries should change to 12 jurors
Radio button: Unticked Juries should change to some other size
Please give reasons for your answer including any other changes you feel would be required, such as to the majority required for conviction or the minimum number of jurors required for the trial to continue:
With any requirement for unanimity it only takes one bolshie person to prevent a verdict being reached. On the other hand I think an 8/7 split is not acceptable for a guilty verdict.

So I would keep 15 and make 10 the threshold for guilty and for not proven.

Part 4: Jury Majority

If Scotland changes to a two verdict system:

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked We should continue to require juries to reach a “simple majority” decision (8 out of 15).
Radio button: Ticked We should change to require a “qualified majority” in which at least two thirds of jurors must agree (this would be 10 in a 15 person jury, or 8 in a jury of 12).
Radio button: Unticked We should reduce the jury size to 12 and require a “qualified majority” of 10 jurors for conviction as in the system in England and Wales.
Radio button: Unticked We should change to some other majority requirement.
Please give reasons for your answer including any other changes you consider would be required such as to the minimum number of jurors required for the trial to continue:
I have chosen the best option, but I although I suggested 10/15 in the last question this may be too low. 12/15 would be better.

Question 10. Do you agree that where the required majority was not reached for a guilty verdict the jury should be considered to have returned an acquittal?

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked Yes
Radio button: Ticked No
Radio button: Unticked Unsure
Please give reasons for your answer:
By returning (if they think fit) a not proven verdict under my proposals this would not necessarily be an acquittal. However if they found someone not guilty that should be an acquittal against which there should be no comeback.

If 12/15 cannot agree that Guilty is right then the question becomes can 12/15 agree that NOT PROVEN is the correct verdict. If so then NOT PROVEN it is, but if 12/15 cannot even agree on NOT PROVEN then the verdict is properly NOT GUILTY.

Part 5: The Corroboration Rule

(a). If Scotland remains a three verdict system and keeps the simple majority:

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should abolish the corroboration rule
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should reform the corroboration rule
Radio button: Ticked Scotland should keep the corroboration rule as it is currently
Please give reasons for your answer:
First I do not think that these issues should be articulated.
Second I think that there should not be a presumption in general for reforming corroboration, but there is no harm in keeping it under review. So we should not start by saying "we must reform it" because that implies "something-must-be done-ery" which normally produces bad results. But if specific amendments are proposed then they should be considered on their merits.

What I do know is that the current system leads to the police badgering and harassing people into providing so-called corroboration in attempts to make cases stand up.

(b). If Scotland changes to a two verdict system and keeps the simple majority:

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should abolish the corroboration rule
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should reform the corroboration rule
Radio button: Ticked Scotland should keep the corroboration rule as it is currently
Please give reasons for your answer:
With two verdicts instead of three the opportunities for miscarriage of justice escalate so safeguards are ever more important.

(c). If Scotland changes to a two verdict system and increases the jury majority

Please select one item
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should abolish the corroboration rule
Radio button: Unticked Scotland should reform the corroboration rule
Radio button: Ticked Scotland should keep the corroboration rule as it is currently
Please give reasons for your answer:
The public/media furore around some cases is likely to pressure jury members - so the case for safeguards remains very strong

Question 12. If the corroboration rule was to be reformed, rather than abolished, what changes do you feel would be necessary?

Field to be completed:
I am not qualified to judge. That should be a task for a Royal Commission to make recommendations.

Question 13. Do you feel further safeguards against wrongful conviction should be in place before any reform or abolition of the corroboration rule?

Please select one item
Radio button: Ticked Yes
Radio button: Unticked No
Please give reasons for your answer, including what other safeguards you believe would be appropriate and why:
Again I do not have the necessary expertise to be able to offer specific suggestions regarding safeguards.

Particularly in sexual cases it is already the case that important evidence cannot be led. This needs rolling back. Of course we do not want a trial system which traumatises a complainant and we do not want the sort of aggressive cross=examination which could exacerbate this, but the current rules are too arbitrary and too rigid.

My own view is that in many sexual cases and many cases of domestic violence there needs to be a way of resolving matters between the parties which can take the place of a "trial" as such - which so often actually resolves nothing for any of the parties concerned and actually prevents many people coming forward in the first place.

If such a system were to be instigated (Truth and sometimes some sort of Reconciliation) then this would obviate many of the corroboration problems which arise at the moment. Many genuine victims want a recognition of what has happened, but not necessarily the punishment of the wrongdoer.

Question 14. If the corroboration rule was kept or reformed, what else could be done to help people, including those involved in the justice system and the general public, to understand it better?

Field to be completed:
This is not a matter to be treated on its own. The public in general is woefully ignorant of the Law generally. All laws need to be in plain English and people's rights - and duties - need teaching in schools. The only way for a subject to be taken seriously in schools is for it to be examinable. The only way for exams to be taken would be if employers and universities were to accept the qualifications. The matter of corroboration and how it works should be a part of this process.

There is, however, a down side: detailed knowledge of the law will allow more bad actors to conspire effectively to pervert justice.

Part 6: Equality and Human Rights, Other Impacts and Comments

Question 15. Considering the three needs of the public sector equality duty – to eliminate discrimination, advance equality of opportunity and to foster good relations – can you describe how any of the reforms considered in this paper could have a particular impact on people with one or more of the protected characteristics listed in the Equality Act 2010 (age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex, and sexual orientation)?

Please provide an answer
Any weakening of corroboration rules is likely disproportionately and negatively to affect those with mental disabilities and those particularly older people afflicted with dementia of one sort or another.

Question 16. Are there any other issues relating to equality which you wish to raise in relation to the reforms proposed in this paper?

Please provide an answer
not at this time

Question 17. Do you feel that any of the reforms considered in this paper would have an impact on human rights?

Please provide an answer
Any move designed to increase conviction rates is likely to produce more miscarriage of justice and hence eg innocent people incarcerated or otherwise ruined

Question 18. Do you feel that any of the reforms considered in this paper would have impacts on island communities, local government or the environment?

Please provide an answer
not directly that I can think of.

Question 19. Do you have any other comments about the content of this paper?

Please provide any further comments
While the issues raised in this paper are all fair enough in their own way, the general emphasis on "nailing more people" and, by implication, cramming our prisons ever more overfull illustrates the wrong mindset. Generally complainants want recognition of their woes (which may or may not be associated with the allegations they make), but this does not necessarily imply the punishment, never mind the incarceration, of those in whom they choose to invest their woes (sometimes appropriately, sometimes not). Society and the media and politicians exacerbate this by winding the complainants up and demanding ever more severe "justice" to take the place of resolution. Of course while the threat of trial and punishment hang over someone's head they will not admit to causing any harm and thereby any trauma is exacerbated.
The lure of the cash register is ever more important and this too needs setting back.

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